Not much sense to read the rest as I could solve the problem by adding my internal card to the wireless MAC filter of my router. stupid me!
This is what bothers me on the new Ubuntu 8.10 beta on my Thinkpad R52:
- Now with a Ralink card (RT61) also this connection is resetted all the time. On reconnection every time the card that never worked with WPA (Intel 2200 BG) is used. The bug has expired (I set it to ‘new’ again) and it was always just commented to update the driver. So nobody at Canonical seems to care if Intel 2200 BG works or not?
- Related is the fact that I mentioned above that Network Manager never remebers which card and connection works. So if there is a internal card which cant connect he will ALWAYS use this, even if that has never worked. I reported this months ago and nobody cared., too. What the people working on wireless network do not seem to realize is that not every hardware works with every access point. So remembering what works and what not is so essential! Actually I alwys thoght that was what NM was all about. But it seems they only remember the password/key which has worked and not how it worked. I guess this is trivial feature to add so again I dont understand why this has not been changed. Or why a card that never worked is even displayed and takes 80% of all entries, while the working card always switches its position (upper or lower end of the other card) – I would guess it would be important to display the most used and working connections at the top – also depending on the location. Come on guys, NM is not that new any more. So please fix those minor issues – I dont see any sense in listing 30 wireless networks in my range that I never use and will never use. What exactly am i supposed to do with them? This is only a distraction.
So my situation now is that not only the internal card is still not working but now the external PCMCIA card is resetted every five minutes or so. Which makes Ubuntu quite unusable for me – and its already Beta time. I had thought ipw2200 drivers would become really much better with newer kernel > 2.6.26, but 2.6.27 I still have the same bugs. So everybody having same type of hardware should stay back from Ubuntu till I can report that things are working.
Here is an example log. As you see wlan0 (rt61) comes up and then eth2 (ipw2200) interferes:
Oct 7 14:44:02 cine avahi-daemon: Registering new address record for 192.168.200.102 on wlan0.IPv4.
Oct 7 14:44:02 cine dhclient: bound to 192.168.200.102 — renewal in 32910 seconds.
Oct 7 14:44:03 cine NetworkManager: (wlan0): device state change: 7 -> 8
Oct 7 14:44:03 cine NetworkManager: (wlan0): writing resolv.conf to /sbin/resolvconf
Oct 7 14:44:03 cine NetworkManager: Policy set (wlan0) as default device for routing and DNS.
Oct 7 14:44:03 cine NetworkManager: Activation (wlan0) successful, device activated.
Oct 7 14:44:03 cine NetworkManager: Activation (wlan0) Stage 5 of 5 (IP Configure Commit) complete.
Oct 7 14:44:03 cine ntpdate: adjust time server 188.8.131.52 offset 0.000279 sec
Oct 7 14:44:07 cine NetworkManager: (eth2): supplicant connection state change: 0 -> 3
Oct 7 14:44:07 cine NetworkManager: (eth2): supplicant connection state change: 3 -> 0
Oct 7 14:44:09 cine NetworkManager: eth2: link timed out.
Oct 7 14:44:12 cine NetworkManager: (eth2): supplicant connection state change: 0 -> 3
Oct 7 14:44:12 cine NetworkManager: (eth2): supplicant connection state change: 3 -> 0
On Gregs remarks about Ubuntu not giving back to the community and the reactions to it: Funnily I just did organize this SFD and just wrote that Ubuntu/Canonical is the ony distribution which gives out free CDs, although its the smallest distribution. Maybe Ubuntu should hire one or two high profile full time kernel developers – but if I look at what Gregs says in some Google tech talk , I wonder why doesnt he bully Google for not being number one on the list? Google is making the most money out of Linux today and it chose Linux as the basis of its Android platform. Or what about Amazon, Ebay etc.? Does Greg really think Kernel development is only the business for classical distributions?
I think kernel development is a whole different business today. Development is happening at a very fast pace – so you cant say that nothing is happening here and that we desperately need more input. On the other hand many other parts of Linux are in a bad shape.
The number one issue for desktop users as I see it is that you still do not get viable status information for printers. This in fact means that you never quite know whats wrong with your printer when you use Linux. There is no real progress in this area – at least nothing I have seen despite some industry people saying they want better drivers etc. – if one takes this more heartly one could say that this means you can not use printers on Linux. Thats not quite right – you can – but you may need to throw away full ink cartridges of one color because you can not test if its full or not. Nobody really sees that as a big problem. Its not a big thing but I could understand if somebody would dismiss Linux for this reason only. The only good solution would be printers with web interfaces or similar. I guess those are still more expensive.
Other issues on Linux still are power saving modes, Xorg, GNOME, KDE, OpenOffice.org. On GNOME I think Canonical has hired a lot of GNOME people and also a lot of GNOMERs work on Ubuntu for free. Undoubtedly Ubuntu was a breeze of fresh air when it came to the market. It still has its problems – like there is no graphical setting of the screen. There is a program called ‘displayconfig-gtk’ – but thats not part of any System menu – so its hidden – and its usability is awful – and it does not work most of the time. OTOH Ubuntu was the distro who contributed this application to the general public as something like this is not yet part of the GST (GNOME system tools). Other thing is missing is a DSL configuration interface as part of the network configuration. This of today only supports modems, ISDN and ethernet cards (more or less). But DSL or cable is a quite frequent setup.
GNU software exists since 25 years. Also there was the 4th Software Freedom Day at Sept. 20th. And what did we see at www.gnome.org and www.kde.org ? Not a word! This is very unfortunate. Its not that there aren’t people who say that this should or could have been mentioned – I think what it shows is a deeper disconnection between users and developers in the open source community. The event on http://www.gnome.org are 100% developer related. Maybe GUADEC want primarily if you look at the name “GNOME USERS and developers conference” – but in fact it is developer oriented. And what is “25 years” of GNU – or “Software Freedom Day” – these are celebration events – something everybody could join. There is not a development talk focus in any sense. But both big desktops seemed to think that this isnt imporant enough to mention at all. it shows exactly that and not more. It shows that new releases and developer talks seem to be more important than communicating with the users or celebrate what has been accomplished.
BTW. same is true for fedoraproject.org or redhat.com. And thats exactly what Ubuntu seems to distinguish to other distros. Ok the are also sponsor, but SUN was, too. Other distros seem to let Ubuntu alone define what Linux and Linux community are. So … should we all use Ubuntu then? I am also an OpenBSD user because I think many things are more mature there – but when it comes to Linux I can only often shake my head about the ignorance to users of many free software projects like distriobutions or free desktops.
Come on guys, tis not that hard – like: You all deliver GNU software – why not have one word all 25 years about that fact? And there is only ONE free software day every year – why shoudl this be Ubuntus day only?
As long as other distros dont support community efforts like Canonical does, I only support Ubuntu – simple as that. I do not say Ubuntu is technically better – in fact I think that theoretically Fedora is nmore advanced in many ways – but their community is still broken and they do not tseem to be willing to learn from Ubuntu. They way to go is encourage community efforts and support it. Novell makes 930 million dolalar, Red Hat makes 400 million revenue, Canonical Ltd. just 10 million. Nonetheless Canonical likes to sponsor free Linux CDs while Red Hat and Novell seem to think that is too expensive. And all along Ubuntu roles up the market from the bottom up. You dont see Fedora or OpenSuSE on the ground. You dont get CDs in the hand – at Fedora they even do not want you to promote it unless you are an official ambassador.
To summarize: If you are a Linux community activist you either burn your own CDs and tell your own stories – or you stick with Ubuntu who support a grassroots Linux movement – although they are for sure not less capitalistic than Novell or Red Hat. At OpenBSD this choice is not really there. There is no OpenBSD company – so they finance development mainly through presales of upcoming releases, Tshirts and donations AFAIK? I think this is absolutely Ok – but still this means that there wont be much free CDs of OpenBSD out there – marketing is not their philosophy.
Personally I like to do a little Linux promotion – and as I dont like burning my own CDs and spending my money I welcome the Ubuntu CDs – as I said I dont necessarily want to promote Ubuntu – but I do, because they give me the tools. And of people like Ubuntu they might choose to switch to any other distro if they like. Ubuntu is for breaking the ice – if they stick with Ubuntu its ok – if not – same. I just care about promoting usage of free software – and so I think Ubuntu also does work for other distros. So here Ubuntu also means “for no costs”.
If Canonical can do it the others could, too – but they feel too powerful to see the need to. I hope they will regret, because they have more money and could do even more. Lets assume the SFD would be sponsored by all major distributions and so teams would get 4 different CD types – or even could select what they want. More CDs can mean a lot more users, really. I always tell people to pass it own if they think they do not need it.