I am happy, that GNOME and KDE people now get together for combined marketing as I suggested. GNOME and KDE are cooperating for a long time. Mostly the developers are not blinded as some brainwashed followers. Some years ago both KDE and GNOMErs wanted to create a desktop that could compete with Windows and MacOS. The KDE and Qt people had some more different view especially on licensing issues, which led to two different desktop solutions. Both desktops have gone a long way and there are also other exciting desktops like XFCE, Enlightenment and others, also still there is FVWM that is popular on distributions like PuppyLinux for old computers. “We” – and I mean users and developers of “free desktops” have many goals in common. And we don’t really want to force people to use our solution. There was going too much energy into competition between GNOME and KDE. Competition is not always bad, but in this case the users did not benefit as they should have been. On the other hand users just MIX. Me too. Although I would consider myself as an GNOME advocate I rather use K3b for burning CDs as to use one of the inferior GNOME solutions. And if users mix, developers must, too. And we should not be too happy if one or the other desktop gets selected as the primary desktop. Let’s be happy if a FREE DESKTOP gets selected, whatever desktop it is. So maybe both teams should start the habbit to congratulate the other team to it’s success, rather than think: “Why didn’t we make it!?”
What do you think the situation would be if Microsoft had two desktop teams always cometing against each other? I don’t think Microsoft would be the desktop leader today. Nowadays GNOME and KDE are bopth advanced desktops. it would be possible to emulate many behaviours of another desktop. So GNOME could be configured to act similar to KDE, Microsoft or MacOS. There are different levels of a desktop:
- The underlying technology, here we find technolgies like libxml, many technologies that are beeing worked on together in freedesktop.org
- The basis technology of each desktop, where the toolkits and philosophy are most essential
- The concrete user experience when clicking and printing.
I think the only part, where things have to defer is point “2”. I would like to see efforts how it would be if GNOME tries to behave and look like KDE and the other way arround. That would increase the understanding of each other and would make many levels of technology more compatible. I do not have anything against KDE technology, but I rather have the currecnt user experience that GNOME gives me – but I would rather use the KDE printing system. If both desktops could behave similar technology would make the difference. I think it is not neccessary and suboptimal if all 3 levels that I have mentioned above are tight together. This strict combination is neccessary if desktop technology is not advanced and any further support would be a waste of ressources.
Many distribution tend to only support one desktop. This is an economic decision. It is easier to support only one desktop. But this decision is often not based against or pro one desktop technology. I am not proposing the end of different desktop. Like the Red Hat CEO also sees it with distributions: it is not necessary to reduce the choices. But wouldn’t be Free Desktops be much more advanced if all teams would pull on the same rope!? This insight is spreading more and more in the free desktop community. it would be interesting to look back 4 years from now and to see what this combined efforts have lead us to.
Don’t think only about your own desktop but for all free desktop users!
see also (year 2000!) Call for a Cease Fire in the KDE/GNOME War
I am quite surprised. In:
I Like Monkeys » Blog Archive » mono in fc5
you find that FedoraCore will support Mono. Is this a joke? Not that I do not like Mono. I do. But it took me months only to find out why Mono will NEVER be included. What i don’t like about this communication is, that it seems to be it was not openly discussed.
I also was one of the users who would have eventually switched to another distribution if Mono would have not been supported in the future. I know its kind of a Microsoft thingy (C#), but I don’t think everything Microsoft invented is bad. We do use Samba and every distributions includes it.
I am quite happy with this decision. Why? Because especially in GNOME there are many excinting new applications that did get a high rating in gnomefiles.org. So the problem was on the one hand many attractive applications are written wit Mono but my favourite distribution did not officially support them.
… And I hate unofficla repositories. F-Spot mostly does not work with these unofficla repos, at least on my installation.
Fedora, you are the one! But: Please consider discussing those matters more openly! Users like to share thoughts and want to know what happens tomorow. FedoraCore wanted to become a community driven distribution. And community did not know that such a decision would come!?
Are they? I think from technological perspective: yes, although I don’t really use subscribtions to thousands of feeds. I don’t want to use an extra application just for RSS/RDF/Atom feeds. I think it is nice to implement these in websites and I somehow like the imlementation in Firefox and how easy it is to add it. Continue reading
There are some exciting projects running. One of this is the web-based system for translating open source software into any language: Rosetta – this is not the same, although similar to the project with the same name The Rosetta Project (which is is a global collaboration of language specialists and native speakers working to build a publicly accessible online archive of all documented human languages). Both do link to the Rosetta Stone as an inspiration.
Just today I got updates for FedoraCore 4 for
- Gnucash 1.8.12
- GIMP 2.2.10
Both are the most least versions. I am talking about the stable version of FedoraCore I have used Debian before. Right now Debian stable newest version of GIMP is 2.2.6. And this, allthough the stable Debian is quite new. FedoraCore enables me to use new, stable versions of software, especially of famous desktop software. I am neither forced to use unofficial backports nor to use any unstable or testing versions that could break my system. The releases are not immediately and sometimes stable gets not updated – as now there is no GNOME 2.12, but GNOME 2.14 will be released with FedoraCore 5 in February. Major updates all 6 months is ok for me. In Debian you often have to wait 3 years. That’s just not it. I think Debian is great with dpkg ans such things, althiough in my experience I have al lot less trouble with dependencies and the packages system in FedoraCore as in Debian or Ubuntu (Which is based on Debian). I have a testing system with Ubuntu. I still do not have a real stable OpenOffice 2 release, although I have updated to the newest Ubuntu “Breezy Badger”.
I am also testing OpenSuse . It’s quite nice, but still it has this YAST applications that manages everything. This yast allows me to have as much update software windows open as I want. Why? As I can only update in one window this makes no sense. OpenSuse ist going in a similar direction as FedoraCore in many ways, but still it is not as matue as FedoraCore. I still have not tested some of the newer distributions, so I don’t say anything about Mandriva or MEPIS. I want to give them a try at some point. But still now they will have to be measured after the standard FedoraCore sets for me.
It’s strange, but I found that FedoraCore is not very popular, but many people complaining about it have never seen or tested it. So, no wonder? I’m quite unemotional about distributions. if I am unsatisfied, I do not hesitate to switch. I do not like to switch, because this always means some trouble. But sometimes it has to be. If FedoraCore would not be so stable I have switched on the release of GNOME 2.12. FedoraCore is releasing at this time and I love to use the newest GNOME, because it is always better in some way – and I go along the strategy of GNOME to stick to its HIG. I do not think being a power user should mean that you have to mess with every possible setting. Although I love to see GNOME finally work at providing some real good settings for the print dialogs. GNOME people are taking their time. If you want everything now, GNOME is not right for you. And I like FedoraCore to primarily focus on GNOME.
After playing a bit with del.icio.us I thought about what is good about it. I really think it is nothing “great”. Although it IS definitely useful. Some guys of the Epiphany browser have thought about also integrating del.icio.us into their browser, especially for getting possible “tags” as a suggestion. The thing is: Everybody has and uses bookmarks. It definitely makes very few sense for most bookmarks to have them just for one self. Bookmarks are places – and it is nice to share such information. I think some bookmarks you do not want to share. those will be bookmarks you are using in an intranet or some kind of configuration (phpmyadmin, ISP login, webmail, etc.).